Funderland Fight club

[Kray]

Vincent seems to be breathing a little roughly. Hope I didn't crush him to much. So Kray takes a step back to give him space. 'Uh. Simple or not. He doesn't want his bones broken.' And how powerful are you if broken bones are easy? 'So I won't.' This was lessons and training after all, not a real fight.

Kray nods. Stretching tension out of his arms with a slow windmill. 'Yeah. Kung Fu.' Seen some of it. 'Something like that might work better for you then.' He nods to the makeshift punching bag. 'What I can show you.' Bit more nimble, and responsive. 'But. The principle is the similar enough I guess. Hit them hard enough they can't hit back. Control them so they can't hurt you.' To opposites. Throw a punch while accepting whatever comes or hold them so tight they can't breathe, let alone fight back. These two elements he has shown today juxtapose yet compliment each other when used by someone of his size and might. 'Uh. If she's a master, how do I stack up you reckon?' His durance what he recalled had been death matches. He couldn't help but be a little curious.

Looking between the two lost. 'Uh. Time he spends dodging is time he isn't spending hurting me.' So win win really. 'Grabbing works well against armour. Armour doesn't stop a grab.' In fact it can often hinder the dodge. 'Punching works better against nibble opponents.' My way puts me in places they don't always expect, much closer then they like.

[Vincent Black]

Vincent shakes off the hug, "Honestly I am not afraid of any broken bones now, but it does not take a lot of pressure to break the lower ribs. The same goes for the nose."

Addressing Seraphina, "If I had been able to dodge the hold, I would have had an advantage as he was moving forward. I would have been able to attack from behind, and as he is a big dude, I would have probably gone for the knees as he was moving forward, to bring him down and incapacitate him."

[Seraphina]

There was a small nod, “Then I’ll look into it. I would like to be able to what you recommend, control my opponent.” It was still such a…wrong…work. Control. They had all been controlled when they were Taken. “How do you stack up?” now that wasn’t a question she was expecting. “I think it’s hard to give a good answer to that. While you are both clearly skilled, you are both very different in your skills. I’ve never sparred against her, I’ve only seen her in action, and it’s impressive.” No denying that. “If I had to say, I would put my money on her for her mobility and dexterity, plus, she’s fierce and will tear her target up.” Nothing against Kray, but Sera had seen what Sonnie could do, and Sonnie was a force to be reckoned with.

“But doesn’t the time he spends dodging exhaust you? Couldn’t the fight dynamics shift if he dodges you enough? Or is it just as tiring on his end?” clearly, she wanted to know more. “Grabbing works if your opponent doesn’t have the ability to use it against you and cause you damage from the grab.” She was able to do that, hadn’t really had a chance to yet, but she could cut him with her scales. “So is the risk worth the reward?” see, she had questions. Were they good questions? Probably not.

To Vincent, “How to you work on dodging attacks? Is it just learning to read your opponents movements? Or something else?”

[Kray]

Not the first time he's said something like that. I wonder would you be more afraid if Sarah wasn't here to patch you up? 'Broken bones make it harder to dodge. Best avoided if possible.' But for good measure. 'But your right when I've got you. It's not my grip you should be worrying about.' Kray chuckles. 'An advantage if your a matador fighting a bull maybe.' But I know what I'm doing. 'Any fighter worth their skills would have seen my punch left me far more exposed then my grab.' Swinging for all he's worth scarified any chance to avoid a preemptive or return blow. It's how you got me so good. The grab only encumbered me once I had you, not in the attempt. He shrugs. 'Yes. Sure any fight if it comes down to it is a endurance test. But every attack or if you focus on dodging wears you down.' Its just who breaks first. 'Fights are exhausting. But knowing what to do against which opponent helps. Try to end it quickly.' And there was no teaching that.

He nods. 'Sure. Some can. But for me. Yes.' Definitively. 'If I get a grip and want to hurt you. I will do more damage then almost anything you can imagine.' I haven't shown you even half of what I can do. 'You'll be dead in seconds.' Tone flat. Its not a brag, not something he takes joy or pride in. A cold fact. To be fair seconds would be all someone needs to turn it around, but to keep a cool enough head and have the ability to do so. Rare in deed. 'And there's no dodging once your in my arms.' You can be a dextrous as the wind, but if I get a hold its all for naught.

He shrugs. 'Uh. Huh.' She's got to be pretty good then. Kray shows no desire to fight Sonnie, he had just been curious. 'Sounds like she might make a better teacher for you if I'm being honest.' He didn't want to shirk his offer to help her, but Sarah was not built for strength brawling. 'Being mobile seems like its more what your after if your looking to stray safe in a fight.' And if that was the goal he wasn't go to lead her on, teaching something that wouldn't work for her.

[Vincent Black]

"The key to dodging an attack is to watch body movements and use it to try to predict what they are going to do. Watching feet, hands, body position will give you an idea of what to expect." Vincent paused a second.

"I was expecting Kray to swing again, so when he charged, it took me by surprise. It would be interesting to see Sonnie go up against Kray, because as fast as I am she is faster, or so I heard." Vincent then shrugged, "It would be entertaining to say the least."

[Seraphina]

A quick nod, “I try and avoid them when I can, but sometimes, it’s impossible. Broken noses are easier to work with though.” Shrugging as she listened to Kray talk about what to really worry about in a fight with him. Not that she intended to get in a fight with him, that wouldn’t go well. Then a nod, it was obvious she was listening and filing away what he said. “So maybe endurance training would be good too.” She’d heard of it; she’d just never done it.

Listening, she wondered if some of her Contracts would get her out of that hold? It wasn’t something she was going to ask or try, but something to think about. She had Contracts to help her in a fight, but had yet to truly test them.

“She’s helped me a few times, the last time was teaching me learn to use my dagger. Still not amazing with it, but getting a better understanding.” A shrug, “Well, I wouldn’t say stay safe per say, but hold my own if it comes to it. I hate having to depend on others to keep me safe. And I’ve been in situations where I couldn’t fight back effectively, and it’s cost me in the end.” Thankfully Sonnie and Circe were there.

Attention moves to Vincent, a nod here and there, “So wouldn’t it be better to just not expect anything from your opponent in a fight? To always expect the unexpected?” or maybe she just needs to finally admit to herself she will never be what she once was.

“Oh, she is fast as hell.” In her mind, she is picturing Sonnie scurrying up Kray and raining blows on him.

[Kray]

The Ogre disagrees. Shaking his head to say as much. 'No. Any skilled brawler can change their footing, their stance to fast for most to dodge. Case and point I got Vincent no problem.' It all came back to the same idea for him. 'Control what they are going to do, If you show a weak spot odds are they will aim for it. Then you can dodge.' He talking about feinting. 'Reacting is very slow, unless your very good.' You had to figure what was happening, how to avoid it and do so after the other guy started moving. It rarely works out nicely. 'Oh. Yes endurance training is a good idea.' Always. 'If you outlast them you will have an advantage for sure.'

Kray shrugs. 'Uh. If she has you doing exercises then I'd stick with those. A knife is better in the hands of most unless they really work on their unarmed ability.' A sharp point could level a playing field against someone a bit stronger then you providing they don't take it off you. 'I'm all for keeping at it, but it sounds like Sonnie can give you want you want a lot better then I can.' So why aren't you training with her?

The giant shakes his head. 'Look. I just wondered is all. I'm not out to hurt or be hurt.' His demeanour and kith say menace but force as a first option and needless fighting was not his style. 'Unless I got a good reason I'm not planning on fighting her.' I've done enough pointless fighting.

[Vincent Black]

Vincent nods to Kray, "I was thinking more of in a sparring situation it would be neat to see, as Sonnie is one hell of a fighter."

Moving back to Seraphina, "Expecting the unexpected helps, but watching the body language can sometimes help you predict an attack or two. Or sometimes, it can hinder you as was the case when Kray was able to get me in a bear hug."

[Seraphina]

The Nix had a thoughtful look on her face, “Control them.” It was clear she was thinking something over. “So I suppose then controlling them to the point where they simply cannot hit you would work. Make them mentally incapable of it.” Weighing it out in her mind, “I can do that.” And she made it sound like it would be the easiest thing to do. Because, well, it would be for her.
“Endurance training sounds like it would be good to have. But also, if they cannot fight me, or are unwilling, then it sort of makes things a bit easier for me.” Was she thinking of this fighting thing all wrong all this time?

“While that’s true, she’s been able to help me learn a few things, I wanted to learn other things. Learning from others is a huge help to me, I can see fights from different vantages. I’m not sure if that makes sense or not. But I’ve seen Sonnie fight, and there is no way I can do what she does. But I’ve been able to take little pieces from it. Seeing what you can do, same thing. No way in hell I’ll ever be able to have the power you do, but now I know to focus my punch beyond the bag, beyond my target.” Was she feeling bad? A bit.

To Vincent, “So being quick.” Be unexpected and be quick. Unexpected she could do, but she wasn’t sure about being quick.

[Kray]

He nods. 'Uh yeah. Control your opponent, control the flow of the fight, control the environment. If you determine what happens, its safer.' Because he didn't fight for fun. 'Fighting is dangerous however you spin it, if your in one do what you need to do to get out safe.' You and whatever your fighting for if tis not your own survival. 'Uh? Control them mentality.' Where is this going? 'You mean like mind games? or magic?' My troll side is better at preventing fights then stopping them but I guess something like it could work? 'If it stops them hurting you then I say it's fair game in a fight.' What would render endurance training futile?

Oh sparring. 'Huh. Well sure I'd spar if she wants to, she just needs to show up to something like this.' But there's a hint scepticism in his tone. And I suppose me putting your dodging to shame has nothing to do with you wanting to see me throw down with someone faster? 'I won't, if she doesn't want to.' And she isn't here is she.

He shakes his head. 'Ah. You could know it's coming Vincent and I still reckon I'd get you. Unless you can move like lightning, reacting is just to slow most of the time.' Especially if I moved like I meant it.

Perking up a little. 'Huh. I see.' That makes sense then. 'Learning from those around you but not to copy, to make it your own kind of thing, take the bits that can or could work for you.' Smart. 'You going to mesh it all up to make your own style or some such?' That sounds more like an epic or old story the fairest who travelled village to village learning from different skilled warriors. That would make me a warrior in the story, neat. He's lost in thought for the moment the fantasy playing out in his head interfering with reality somewhat.