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  1. #1
    West's Avatar

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    Not really sure where to put this.

    The Freehold Oath is going away. Gone. Doesn't need to be sworn, get rid of those bonuses, everything. I'll clean up documentation later.

    If you care about the reasons...

    1. For several years we didn't have a 'Freehold Oath', but on-boarding new Lost was problematic because everyone wanted to be an FOB and/or truculent about playing nice with others. When the 'Acknowledgment' process of Vampire was pointed out, Sovs started on-boarding their constituents. Eventually several people (back when we had 3-4 STs) hit on the notion of making it a Pledge and suddenly Changeling became the venue where you got dice bonuses just for showing up.

    2. Mechanically, it's a bad Pledge that doesn't follow RAW and I don't feel like re-working it.

    3. It's not needed, and compounds the 'full roster of Sovs' problem. Vampires don't get Vinc'ed during Ack. Mages don't get Geas'ed during Recognition. Know why? Because they'll fucking kill you if you can't act right. Time for Changeling to put on it's Big Fairy Pants and quit being a special snowflake.

    4. It's a hassle to coordinate and usually drags out the seasonal threads which usually over-run their time-frames already.

    So there you go.

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    Just a small note.

    I know some of you may feel a little 'wtf' about me making some rules since some of you are new and have never seen me play --or be involved with-- Changeling.

    FWIW, I played for a little over two years solid, 1000+ posts, and have dealt with almost everything ICly -- so they're not just changes made in a vacuum, but from experience. I've fought Fairweather and his agents, made Pledges, and even played through the beginning with no Freehold Oath to the creation/inception of it.

    I've also been on the back-end of Changeling over the yeas to varying degrees, from discussing rules with STs to discussing plots (a fair share of the plots run over the years were my ideas I handed off).

    So I guess I just want to reassure everyone that these aren't arbitrary or ignorant changes, but ones made from both playing and observation. They come not only with the game itself in mind, but to 'clean the slate' for a potential full-time Storyteller.

    I'm happy to discuss any of the changes here in this thread. I'm a big proponent of House Rules existing to fix a problem, not just for 'the lolz'.
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    Circe
    Circe

    Big thank you West! This should streamline things by a lot.

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    Circe
    Circe

    Cool beans! The Arcadia thing was kind of annoying, though not as bad in games I've had with multiple venues.

    I do have one question: Does this means Pledges are restricted to be inter-player or are Pledges with mortal NPCs still allowed?

  8. #5
    West's Avatar

    Star Scenes

    Pledges remain restricted to PCs and ST-run NPCs as they have been ever since Retainer Pledgapalooza. Since there's no ST, take that however you will.

    I have no idea how you managed to ignore the big green:

    Questions about this, or Pledges in general, should go in the OOC Discussion thread.
    ...and muck up my Changeling 2017 thread, but I'm going to start deleting questions that ignore the obvious rather than indulging them, Origins . It's a recurring theme with you and it's time to put on your Big Fairy Pants after five years of play.
    Last edited by West; May 1st, 2017 at 07:07 PM.
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    Vivian York
    Sasha

    Winter 2 (Chilled air around her)
    SL 4 (Violet Eyes, Inviting)
    Pres 3 (Lively)

    Winter Pledge 1 yr

    That being said about FOB, is it still a rule for Changeling? I tried to do a quick search for it on the Wiki and only saw Mage and Vampire when I typed in "FOB" and "new changelings". I prefer no FOB stuff for a plethora of reasons.

    Also, about what West said regarding his experience. There are things that I may not always agree with him on, but, he is well versed in Changeling and has read a variety of material or has done research to help other STs. To reiterate what he said, because I've seen it myself, West has also seen a lot of behind the scenes stuff for years, so he also knows about things a lot of us wouldn't dream of. We've talked about a lot of random stuff and neat things, so he understands the game as well as any other ST we've had in the past. So keep that in mind when asking questions, pretty sure there's no way you'll pull a 'fast one' on him at all haha.
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    Apparently Changeling is a special snowflake and called it FFTH

    Quote Originally posted by Wiki:
    Fresh from the Hedge: This is currently not permitted. After many attempts, it seems that FftH characters are just not a good fit in the PbP format of EoD. All characters will start play knowing the basic fundamentals of Lost existence.
    - Character Submission Changeling
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    Star Scenes

    I noticed an *ahem* recurring theme in several XP reports (lol)

    Does the Alex v Mhairi situation need some OOC talk or is everyone still content to let it play out wholly IC?

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    Several, you say? "Unexpected" is probably the word.

    Anyway, I was under the impression there's some kind of armistice between the two - for now, at least. I'm pretty certain they'll butt heads in the future but in my mind (and intention) it was always a purely IC conflict well within what can happen from time to time and not some kind of toxic situation. I'm sorry if it ever appeared differently.

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    Ling is the new Vamp. Obviously this calls for a Monomacy...

    lol, obviously.

    Mhairi and Alex will probably never get on, and it has been effecting me OOCly, which is no fun, so to settle things once and for all, Woland let's set up a duel. We could get the duel scene started ASAP and let the dice decide our ling's fates, like it should be.


    Has a social group been started to hash out the details of the discussed Freehold Commons? I have some XP to spend, so am wondering...
    There's not a social group to my knowledge up, but since it's for the Freehold as a whole, we could just hammer stuff out in an OOC thread

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