Creative Thaumaturgy

[Cerberus]

Would it be possible to cast a Space Ward, but with a conjuctional Mind effect, so that, when someone tries to scry a location, if they dont have the Potency to penetrate the Ward, instead of being blocked by the Ward, they see an image of the caster's choosing, showing an empty room, instead of being full of people.

Possible?

[West]

My gut feeling is no.

The Imago is a bridge between points in Space, and a Ward/Ban prevents that bridge from being able to form.

Thus, the spell fails in its entirety.

It would probably be more feasible to mask a location rather than to add it to a Ward.

[Xander]

The only way to add spells to a Ward is the Walls in the Labyrinth spell, and you need the ability to cast whatever spell you want to add in addition to the requirements to cast Walls in the Labyrinth. It's kind of a steep cost, but it is possible as long as WitL is approved for play.

[Cerberus]

Yeah that makes sense West.

So, how would you mask an area with a Mind effect to make someone scrying see something other than what is actually there? I don't recall a specific spell that does that

[West]

Yeah that makes sense West.

So, how would you mask an area with a Mind effect to make someone scrying see something other than what is actually there? I don't recall a specific spell that does that

Well, I never said Mind, you did

What you want to do probably isn't doable without, say, adding a Breach or Cayce's Goldfish to a Walls spell and editing what they've seen. Mind is generally intrusive, Contested, and cast directly on a Pattern. A Ward is generally defensive and cast on an Area.

Altering a subject's perception without casting on their pattern/Resistance is just contrary to how the targeting and resistance systems work.

[Cerberus]

I did see a Mind 2 spell "Phantom Thoughts". But it affects self so I'm not sure if that would work. Might work with a Wall spell.

[Cerberus]

West im looking at casting an improvised spell silimar to Crafter's Eye and Eye for Destruction, in an attempt to determine where best to weaken the hull in each compartment, and to determine how far to go before weakening too far that we collapse it now and drown.

I know that you mentioned the rivets, but I figured target factors for Alter Integrity might get a bit painful or rack up too much paradox before we do them all. This spell is to help narrow down which rivets we need to weaken, and the minimum needed to do the deed.

Exploit Weakness
Matter 2 / Death 1
The mage can study an object and discern its hidden flaws, with an eye towards breaking it.
Practice: Knowing
Action: Instant
Duration: Concentration
Aspect: Covert
Cost: None
Through the use of this spell, the caster gains the understanding of how a natural flaw can be exploited, and how far that falw can be abused for it to break.

I understand that Find the Cornerstone already covers this, but that spell seems for for large buildings, and we are looking for towards a single bulkhead (per compartment).

[West]

I understand that Find the Cornerstone already covers this, but that spell seems for for large buildings, and we are looking for towards a single bulkhead (per compartment).

Yes, and no, that's why the spell uses Size factors.

If you wanted to make a duplicate spell, why would it oh-so-conveniently change from Arcana Wayland doesn't have to Arcana that Wayland does have? CT isn't for writing spells to bypass limitations.

:P

To expand:

Matter generally treats objects and machines as single items rather than their components. Degrading a structure might translate into weakened joints or rivets or nails, etc, but it's still considered a 'whole'. Unless, of course, you wanted to be incredible precise with some destruction and purposefully targeted components rather than the whole.

The point about the rivets was more to highlight that there were engineering/structural defects that played a huge part in the Titanic incident and not just 'hit iceberg'.

[Cerberus]

Ok, sounds good. I wasn't trying to circumvent arcana requirements, and Strix has the required dots for the Cornerstone spell anyway i believe, but was trying to find a way to apply it on a smaller scale. But your reasoning makes sense in the way Matter would degrade instead of through individual parts, so i'll run with that. Cheers