Shard Hunting(material side)

[Forn Clakes]

Vinny yelped as the poker made contact and turned on Mister Crazy, bringing his teeth to bear before snapping his jaw at the bastard.

3L on Crazy

2010-01-13 12:56:00 Vinny rolls 7 to Strength 4 + Brawl 3 + Bite 2 - Def 2 (10 Again) 8, 1, 10, 9, 7, 2, 4, 7 3 successes

[Mateo Benavides]

Mateo collapses as the bullet tears into him, dropping to the ground with a heavy thud. He comes back into consciousness, his essence knitting his flesh as his essence goes to work, a few seconds after dropping. Mateo shakes away the foggyness in his head, pushing back the red haze that demanded he spill blood and slaughter. He looks up at the Queen, the shooter that had dropped him. "Big mistake bitch." He growls as his body slowly ripples and warps, taking the warform. She'd be next...

2suxx kuruth, 1suxx shifting

2010-01-13 16:24:04Mateo rolls 7 to Stam4+Surv1+PU2 (10 Again)5, 2, 4, 1, 10, 4, 2, 21 success2010-01-13 16:19:46Mateo rolls 6 to Res3+Comp3 (10 Again)2, 2, 3, 1, 2, 10, 10, 22 successes

[DrDog]

Toshiba moves away from the unstoppable war-god and picks up a wall clock.

Cory is up.

[Writer]

Cory leaves the Green Man to his own devices and charges Queen with the same ferocity as before. His does not growl or bark or make any other sound other than his claws on the kitchen floor in his all out run. His Rage is like a wave, but he rides it like a surfer, crashing into his prey. He goes for the throat, but catches Queen's shoulder instead. It may not make a difference. His teeth rip into her flesh and bone all the same.

Finish what I started - 6L to Queen, 3 suxx to resist Kuruth

2010-01-13 22:22:01 Cory (Writer) rolls 14 to Str 7 + Brawl 3 + Teeth 2 + All Out 2 - Defense 3 (10 Again, WillPower) 6, 7, 3, 5, 8, 10, 9, 6, 10, 8, 2, 7, 1, 3, 3, 9 6 successes

2010-01-13 22:22:45 Cory (Writer) rolls 5 to Resolve 2 + Composure 3 (10 Again) 8, 3, 5, 10, 4, 10, 2 3 successes

Cory has done another all out attack, so he does not have any defense this turn.

[DrDog]

confused

Um...isn't he immobilizing Mean green? And wouldn't releasing the grapple take his full action? (i'm quite sick, and so cognitive skills are at a nadir right now, please reread the grapplign section and tell me what you are doing)

[Writer]

Grappling

All I could find is this:

"Your character can do nothing except maintain the hold, however. If he dedicates an action to any other effort, the target is no longer immobile. Your character still has a grip, but a successful overpower effort is required in a subsequent turn to immobilize the opponent all over again." (Pg 158)

It implies that if I do something other than Immobilize my opponent, the opponent is no longer immobilized. It also states that I will still have a grip. However, it does not indicate whether or not my opponent still has a grip.

However, in the next paragraph, it states:
"Successes rolled are compared to those that were gained by the holder when he applied the immobilization maneuver. If more are gained, the hold is broken and the victim is free again."

I don't know if this implies that the grapple is broken when Immobilization is broken, or if there is still a grip between the two characters.

Can a character break free from grappling completely after immobilizing an opponent?
On one hand, letting go of something is usually a free action, and both characters are still standing, so a move and attack is feasible.
On the other hand, since they are considered "grappling", you could rule that even after immobilizing the opponent, my character still has to disengage as an action before the grapple is officially ended.

Is an opponent who breaks free from being immobilized still "held" or is he "free" from the grappling?
I would expect that if an action is required to break a "grapple", then it applies to both situations.

I would say this is an ST call.

If you rule that an action is required to exit the grapple, or if you don't want to rule on this right now, can I just use my attack on the Green Man? He wouldn't be immobilized as Cory attacks, and Cory would lose the All-Out +2 bonus, but Green Man's Defense 3 is also ignored, actually coming out in favor for Cory by +1 die. Technically, the WoD rules state: "Damage opponent - Successes achieved on this turn's Strength + Brawl roll are applied as points of bashing damage inflicted on your character's opponent. Your character crushes, squeezes, bends or bites his victim." This bite is different, however, as it gets damage bonus dice and is lethal.

[roadnottaken]

Grappling

I would tend to say that releasing a grapple is always an instant action. Maintaining immobilization is not like holding an object; you have to pin them sufficiently that they can't fight back effectively, and as a result, cannot completely disentangle yourself without significant effort (an instant action and probably an overpower maneuver). Also, while Green Man's def is ignored, Cory still has to contend with his Strength of 4, so Cory is at -3 dice as compared to the attack rolled against Queen.

My understanding is that, if an immobilized character breaks free, they break the hold completely and are no longer grappled (this does not apply, however, if Cory ends immobilization to launch an attack on Green). And yes, Cory's bite attack retains its dice bonus and lethal damage, just as any other (small) weapon would.

[Writer]

OOC

I'll just reroll with an attack on Green Man to make it easy.

Pressing against Green Man, Cory shifts his weight to get a head bite, but as he shifts, so does the Green Man. Cory merely grazes the Green man with a fang.

1L

2010-01-14 11:03:27 Cory (Writer) rolls 11 to Str 7 + Brawl 3 + Teeth 2 - DefStr 4 (10 Again, WillPower) 4, 6, 2, 7, 8, 5, 5, 3, 4, 6, 6 = 1 success

[DrDog]

ooc

Writer: when one has a grip, the grip is mutual. you are both grappling each other now that you broke immobilization

order
Vincent 13
Mateo 11
Toshiba 11
Cory 10
Queen 9
Sarah 8
Mister Crazy 8
Mean Green 5

Queen focuses her gun on Vincent, and spends her action aiming.

5B total to vincent

2010-01-14 11:31:07 Mister Crazy rolls 5 to Str+weaponry+2-1improvised-2def (10 Again, WillPower) 7, 9, 10, 5, 8, 8 4 successes
2010-01-14 11:30:41 Sarah rolls 4 to Str+weaponry+2-1improvised-3def (10 Again, WillPower) 4, 5, 8, 7 1 success

Vincent struggles as both the crazy man with the poker and sarah with her lamp both connect.

Mean green is able to turn the tables on cory, and immobilizes him.

immobilized. need 4 successes on a str+brawl-4 check to break out

2010-01-14 11:32:49 Mean Green rolls 3 to Overpower-7str (10 Again, WillPower) 10, 6, 10, 1, 9 3 successes

[Vincent Bailey]

Vincent staggard under the two blows and tried to bite in return yet finds nothing but thin air.

Dammit!

2010-01-14 15:48:18 Vincent rolls 7 to Strength 4 + Brawl 3 + Bite 2 - Def 2 (10 Again) 2, 3, 5, 5, 2, 3, 4 failure