(1502) Scourging Assemble

[Avis]

"That's the intent," Avis replied to Ermon. She could elaborate, on all the ways in which it was, actually, like Fort Knox, but that was only for Talons to know. The other Orders, well, other Magi, they'd only be here if the Talons were there to welcome them in. That was all they needed to know.

Thankfully, Gyges directed them back onto more helpful topics. Specifically, the topic at hand.

"Well, that's the thing, Gyges. We get to decided that now." Eyes flickered over to Aquinas, then away. "In my opinion, the only Just way to treat the charter is as laws for each individual Magi in the city. So, that means everyone that's recognized gets the same rights, same everything, as everyone else that's recognized. Well, except for people with positions, but, um, that's obvious. Or, on top of what everyone has, I mean. Anyways, what I'm trying to say is that the individual should be granted rights. If a cabal has a problem with a solitary mage, well, that's multiple individuals against one, so that one is going to lose. It's a non-issue. There's no reason not to allow everyone to be equal. No reason but wanting to oppress people."

[Sirith]

For Namkha it takes a longer while to read and analyze the whole document; she made sure to go through every part, while also making notes on the scratch paper with small, sharp, almost unreadable hand almost bordering on tightly formed stenography. While doing this, she also carefully listens to the question and answer on priorities set by Avis; while the Guardian can't say she's a specialist on Lex Magica, she remembers some of her law school and her trained memory might be useful as well.

Yet, she's still surprised when Aquinas calls her to speak. Namkha is an outside party and the others made clear she doesn't have any voice in the matter of Consilium... But you ca't just refuse the Hierarch's order, right?

The Asian clears her throat. "What you say sounds like you're trying to be friendly to people outside of Pentacle and Cabals and there's nothing wrong with that. However, I'd like you to remember you're not only a representative; you're a leader whose role is the greater good of the Consilium. You must not only think of people, but of the whole society - and its future. You're in position to create this future by creating good behaviors and eliminating weak points, things that you, as a Warlock, excel in. What kinds of behavior do you want to encourage? Where is the weak point of Sacramento? From my point of view, for Sacramento to success - especially when opposed by San Francisco - you need to make people want two things: to unite and to progress. Else, the stronger players in the region will just walk all over you."

"I see that you don't like the position of Solitaries, but for me it's an incentive to do something with my bad position. Join or create a cabal. Join - or create - an Order. What does one deserves if they don't make a little effort? We're all grown up and able to make a little effort, and if we have problems, we can ask for help from the officials, who'd be more than happy to help. Why not to make an effort, then?"

The woman looks over her notes to make sure she didn't forgot anything, and to gather thoughts. One hand plays instinctively with a strand of hair.

Note to self - call to Crowley - talk about Cabals which would be interested in Fostering me.

[Gyges]

"You aren't proctoring an exam Aquinas." For Gyges, it's one thing when they Hierarch lets the Council go through it's growing pains. Council's first steps and all. But since the Council took it's first, faltering steps and then fell flat on it's ass because people were sleeping on the job, maybe he should be less distant father figure Hierarch and more straight talking Hierarch. "If you've got something to say, say it. Otherwise we'll waste the whole afternoon."

"It's clear, the people who wrote the Charter want people in Cabals." Gyges shrugs. "That's fine, but hinging full membership on being part of one isn't wise. People leave and if someone has to scramble to fit someone into a Cabal just to stay a full member, that leaves everyone open to get fucked. What if a spy from a hostile city slipped in because Medistars needed a third? Or someone swooped in with an offer to Ermac while the threat of loosing his position hung over his head was large enough to keep him from realizing they were agents of the throne?"

[Avis]

"Those are good points, Gyges," Avis said with a nod to her Provost. "Thing is, I don't think they're relevant. 'Cause, for me, the law is a place for Justice, not for personal preference. And that is taking the long view." Eyes like swords fell on Namkha.

"If your laws protect the citizens which make up your society then you are giving them the opportunity to grow. If you instead create laws that force them to act in ways which aren't necessary, but which make you happy, well, you're just opening the door for corruption and oppression, which halt growth. Kind of like the motherfuckers trying to stop history from being taught over in Oklahoma," she sneered, just the thought of it raising the temperature of her blood.

"It's the same kind of thinking here. Restricting rights just because it's more convenient for the society that we want is bullshit. You want people to join Orders or Cabals you do it through talking with them. Through interacting, not through persecuting them."

[Ermon]

Ermon rubs his temple in quiet circular motions listening to the others. Gyges. Rub. Avis. Rub. Aquinas. Rub. The motion continues, replicating the gears turning in the Warlock's head, considering what is being said. Eventually, he sighs:

"Gyges, with all the respect I have for one of us..." - Ermon scratches the back of his head, getting the words just right, - "Currently this Consilium ain't just about freedom, enlightenment and all things good and nice. It's also about survival. I was in the task force that dealt with the towns Scelesti problem. I tell you, we, as a united Consilium have our hands full with all the shit going on in this city".

He pauses, smiling a crooked smile:

"Being a lone Mage in here is fucking suicide. I'm all for pushing people into protected, secure Cabals and Sanctums where they can do what they like as opposed to letting them be caught in the open with their pants down. And I say that as a guy who currently isn't in a Cabal - something I hope to fix soon".

[Sirith]

Namkha nods in agreement hearing Aquinas and Ermon speaking. "If you find your Herald's judgement untrustworthy, there's a Sentinel, and of course, a certain Order with a duty of rooting such hidden threats out. I'm sure that any local agent would listen if you said you had suspicions. That's what Orders do: performing their duty to the Awakened Society. That's why many people prefer to have people join Orders - so that we may perform duties in an organized way. Methods can be questionable, but even at the source of the Golden Consilium problem lies the duty the Orders are bound to fulfill. In the end, Abyss, the Liars, the Mad, Banishers - those enemies we have in common."

Checking the notes once more. There has been something... Ah.

"Speaking of adding Interdicts, as an interested party I find outsider status part and trial procedures wanting. Since the Envoys, the Lictors and other travelling Awakened guests would stay without Recognition, they remain without protection and they don't have the right of trial. I understand that I don't have your trust, but such a legal void can create in future way too many nasty scenarios and misunderstanding spreading from wild vigilantism to silent murders without any control of the Consilium." A pause. "Or maybe it's desirable?" The last sentence was spoken without even changing or the soft tone in her voice.

The Guardian looks with a mild expression of curiosity at faces of Warlocks gathered.

[Avis]

The Councilor's jaw clenched and her core tightened, soon followed by her fists. Was a tantrum on the horizon? Was their representative really that unbalanced that she couldn't even control her temper during a little conversation? Well, it was clear that she was unhappy, and that anger was burning bright in her belly, but her eyes fell down to the packet in her lap and she let the everyone say their piece, even the Golden Spy. That particular worms words wiggled infuriatingly in Avis' ears, and what she wouldn't have given to be able to shut her up, but no angry glares were given, no threats or ultimatums, no instances of mind shredding ire. Just silent fuming.

Still, her position required that she not be silent, and so when a sliver of silence finally came again, Avis filled it with her voice.

"Thank you for the history lesson, Hierarch. It was clarifying." Her eyes still sat on the paper before her, but her pen was put work, scratching notes down. "I'll propose an interdict clarifying independence and apostasy. As for the other suggestions, I would like to hear my path's thoughts on the Order requirement and the limit on how many Councilors may come from the same cabal."

The pen was set down and spiteful eyes were lifted to Namkha. "There's a gold law you're forgetting. Recognition. It is what states who is allowed to be judged and protected by the laws of the Consilium. If you want that changed then I'm afraid you'll have to look to an Assembly, as the Hierarch has so lovingly explained. As for trial procedure, feel free to list any suggestions."

   Avis' upset

Date		Action		Roll		Result
2015-03-02 01:54:28		Avis rolls 5 to chillin is her buisness (manip2+subter3) (10 Again)		1, 1, 1, 7, 6		failure