(1301) Debate : Sawyer v Heinz (Winner)

[Erika Brady]

Erika stood, and made her way to the front.

She'd purposely kept her role hidden, even with her seat choice, to avoid dealing with favor currying. Without preamble, she addressed the contestants, every now and then turning to include the audience.

"These debates will begin with an opening statement by the challenged. The challenger may then make their own, as well as offer rebuttal. One ore rebuttal by each will be allowed, then two more questions by audience members which I select, and then a closing statement," she said in a dry, clinical manner.

"His Majesty's questions excluded from the total, of course," Erika added with a nod to the Prince.

The redhead held out a hand to the podiums.

"Mr. Albert Sawyer , as the challenged, you may begin."

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[Max Heinz]

As Erika takes the stage and outlines the rules of the debate, Max bows his head respectfully. "Regent Brady..." He says softly, then turns his attention to Albert for the opening shot of the contest.

He was a little surprised at the pause to take a breath before the man started; Max had dismissed his Blush once his feet hit the floor of the Court. Ah well, it was Albert's choice to make. He listens intently as the other Kindred outlines his plan for the domain; repressing the urge to smile at the mention of money. The plan sounded positively Invictus.

Once Albert was finished, it was Max's turn to speak. "Good evening, everyone. My plan for the Regency of Florin is also uncomplicated.

I would place the Regency into the private use of the Ordo Dracul. As a scientifically, rather than politically, motivated Covenant; a member of our Order must split their attention between the academic pursuits of research and the nightly necessities of feeding. By allowing the Ordo Dracul the private use of the Domain of Florin, it would allow our Order the chance to remain focused on our academic pursuits while lessening the acute pangs of hunger that can distract even the most determined among our kind.

It would also have the dual benefits of decreasing pressure on the other Regencies to provide for the city while at the same time increasing the number of Kindred that seek to make their home within the other Regencies. Unless my counts are off, the Ordo Dracul is the second largest Covenant in the city, meaning that a sizable number of the city's Kindred would have a place to hunt outside of those so graciously provided by His Grace to all recognized Kindred. While at the same time, those outside the Order would seek the favor of the other Regents; thereby increasing their own influence.


Now, Mr Sawyer, your plan to open the Regency to all is certainly a very... egalitarian proposal; but I do have a concern with it. The price you propose is a good sum of money, age of the Kindred involved aside. Have you given any thought to just how the money trail will be dealt with? Certainly, the monthly transfer of sums approaching the amount of a house payment will eventually draw the attention of interested Kine. Unless, of course, you insist on Cash Up Front, which raises it own concerns..."

Max keeps his tone even and formal; rather like addressing an audience at a formal Symposium. There was no emotion in his voice, just the calm tenor of logic and reason. He had taken a small shot at Albert's argument, while leaving some of his own open for the other man to debate. Now he just had to wait to see if Albert would see them...

[Vampire ST]

I'll assume that since neither character has a dice roll that we're leaving this to full RP. Feel free to continue!

[Max Heinz]

Max nods his head in simple acknowledgement of Albert's compliment. He wasn't usually one for flowery words, instead listening intently to Albert's response.
He chuckles a little as the man talks about ensuring the secrecy of his actions. It was a friendly sound, usually reserved for when a friend tells you a dirty joke you really should laugh at.

"Yes, Mr Saywer; I didn't think your first act as Regent would be to toss the Masquerade away. I suppose you just have more... trust in the government and banks than I do. Hell, I can't even trust my bank to put my direct deposit in on the right day..." He lets the topic drift away without further comment, instead focusing on the man's second point.

"And yes, you are correct; theoretically there could be a rush on the other Regencies, and theoretically the other Regents could close their areas to those of the Ordo Dracul.

Also theoretically, with a large enough pair of wings and an engine strapped to my back, I could fly. But I don't think I'll be taking any leaps off of a tall building any time soon either..."

There's a hint of a playful smile on Max's lips as he delivers the last line. Sometimes a little humor can go a long way; and he didn't want Albert to think he was talking down to him. He was simply addressing the man's questions in his usual playful manner.

"We can talk about theory all we want, Mr Sawyer, but in reality, I do not see that as a likely possibility. First, by turning the area over to the Ordo Dracul, I would be providing roughly 20% of the city's population with recompense-free feeding. While I cannot guess to the number of Kindred that have made deals with the other two Regents for feeding rights, I would assume that number would be in line with their own arrangements. Therefore, it should place no more nor no less stress on them then if the Regency was opened to all Kindred of the city.

The other reason against making members of the Ordo Dracul persona non grata in the other Regencies is it would be bad for Family politics. Currently, the Ordo Dracul claims at least one member from each Clan, excepting the Nosferatu. And the only Nosferatu I know of within the city seems to have his affairs well in hand..." Max doesn't have to look to Culler to know the mountain of a man is there; he instead turns to Erica and bows his head, signalling he was done and ready to proceed to the open questions part of the debate.

[Erika Brady]

Erika steps forward at Max's nod.

"Now that Mr. Sawyer has outlined his plans for subscription Hunting, and the Grand Wyrm for a Regency for Dragons, we'll take questions."

Post questions in a spoiler; if there's an overflow (over the limit of 2 questions per contestant) then Erika will cherry pick. The window to ask questions will be the standard 48 hours.

[Catherine Keyes]

question

With a sharp raise of her hand, provided Regent Brady calls on her, Catherine asks:

“Mr. Sawyer, you present the option of Tenancy and Feeding Rights to all Kindred, providing they can pay on a monthly basis. And to those who cannot afford one thousand dollars a month, you intend to extend alternative methods of payment, what would those be?

“If a case by case basis is how you intend to decide, what do you have for examples?”

[Dog]

"Yurgh."

The sound came from Dog, who was apparently digging something out from between a fang and another tooth. Whatever it was, was rolled between thumb and forefinger and disappeared when he waved at Sawyer.

"So yer just sayin' that like any other Regent, you want something fer anyone what wants to be Huntin'. And anyone can, iffin' they have the scratch. Or favors."

He was pretty sure that's what the man said. He was still trying to figure out why it took so many words for the one guy to say he wanted money, and the other guy to say he just wanted Dragons.

As far as he was concerned, it seemed a lot easier to mug someone for what was in their vein as for what was in their wallet to go buy Blood with.

After all, it might take five or six bodies to beat a thousand dollars out of. It only took one to slake a thirst.